Posts by No Apologies

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What can you do to protect your family from the elders?

by Dragonlady76 in

i have a question i hope someone can answer for me.. my folks are sick and elderly dubs and i worry the borg will hasten their death.

they have those ridiculous blood card with an advanced directives pre-printed on them.

they also have a person from the cong designated as their surrogate?

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Sorry, I too think you are totally out of line here. If your parents have made their wishes clear regarding the use of blood, you have no business interfering or trying to override their wishes. Would you want them trying to talk you out of a blood transfusion?

Of course, many older JWs have no idea about all the treatments that the Society has now said are permissable. Most of them think of it as very simple, black and white issue: no blood. In some circumstances it might almost be better to get the HLC involved, I know when my brother-in-law was resisting taking albumin, the elders were practically begging him to take it, and he finally did give in, fortunately.

But the idea of trying to force a medical procedure on someone, especially an adult, is abhorrent.

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New research on how Noah filled the ark

by No Apologies in

jw
friends

this is always a popular topic, and i just came across some startling new research on just how noah and his family were able to gather all the different kinds of animals as they were commanded to do.

it makes sense once you just think about it a bit.. .

new evidence suggests noah's sons rode flying dinosaurs .

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This is always a popular topic, and I just came across some startling new research on just how Noah and his family were able to gather all the different kinds of animals as they were commanded to do. It makes sense once you just think about it a bit.

New Evidence Suggests Noah's Sons Rode Flying Dinosaurs

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This takes balls....

by chrissy in

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...and considering i don't have any, it is surprising that i found the nerve to post my photo as my avatar!

i was leery to use my photo thinking someone i knew could catch on to my new apostate antics.

so, i couldn't decide what to use.

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All I can say after seeing your picture...

Hello Chrissy!

More pictures please!!!

Oh yeah, welcome to the board, too...

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Another church that REFUSES BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS - in certain ways

by Rabbit in

has anyone else heard of this before ?

i thought only jw's were this stupid.

with this church, they cannot accept "a strangers blood..." .

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Very odd and sad. But this quote is interesting:

Robert Rosetti, program director over investigations at the CPS Nueces County office, told the newspaper that when parents' religious beliefs conflict with medical recommendations, CPS will honor the religious beliefs if they are a "consistent" tradition within a known denomination.
"But when you have an individual interpreting, that's a different story," Rosetti said.

Does anyone else find the idea of the government determining if an individual's "interpretation" of his beliefs is "consistent" with that of a "known denomination" vaguely disturbing? If it's my religion, I should be able to interpret it however I want!

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2 JWs Sent Registered Letters For "APOSTASY"

by minimus in

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i was told that 2 "anointed" witnesses that had recently (on the night of the memorial) picketed in front of the kingdom hall were sent registered letters inviting them to a judicial committee meeting.

the husband had told the elders when they first called last week that the elders should call off the meeting because his wife had once again had major tremors and had to be hospitalized due to being sent the letter.

and that the elders should realize that they would surely get legal action against them if anything happened to his wife.

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Mary,

Even if you didn't win, the elders would still have to secure a lawyer for their defence and as we all know, lawyers fees are astronomical. Meaning that unless the elders were extremely wealthy, they could end up owing tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars in legal fees.

As I pointed out though, the Society will be there with their posse of Bethel lawyers. It won't be the elder footing the bill. The last thing they need is someone to successfully sue either the elders or the org over a DFing. It would set far too dangerous a precedent.

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2 JWs Sent Registered Letters For "APOSTASY"

by minimus in

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friends

i was told that 2 "anointed" witnesses that had recently (on the night of the memorial) picketed in front of the kingdom hall were sent registered letters inviting them to a judicial committee meeting.

the husband had told the elders when they first called last week that the elders should call off the meeting because his wife had once again had major tremors and had to be hospitalized due to being sent the letter.

and that the elders should realize that they would surely get legal action against them if anything happened to his wife.

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Best thing to do would be to show up at the Inquisition hearing with a lawyer and a reporter or two. Make sure we all get copies of the pictures/videos.

Although I am curious, all this talk about "threatening" the elders with a lawsuit against them personally... is there a shred of evidence that this would be successful? My guess is that (unless the elder did something really stupid), A) the Society will go to bat for the elder, and B) the lawsuit will fail.

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Apple to Intel, platform switches, and the cult mindset

by Midget-Sasquatch in

yesterday's news on apple's transition to intel processors, made me.

nostalgic over the heyday of alternative platforms.

for all my boasting about not really ever buying into either the jws .

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AMIGA rocks!!!!!!

I was a die-hard Amiga fanatic for years, back when Mac's were still monochrome-only and PC's were stuck in DOS with its single-tasking, 640k-limited EGA graphics, The Amiga's were cranking out stereo sound, with awesome graphics and a lean mean pre-emptive multitasking OS that worked from the GUI or the command line. Of course the company behind the Amiga were truly and completely clueless, had no idea what to do with a machine that was clearly ahead of its time.

I still have my 1200, sitting in the closet, unused for years but never forgotten.

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Georgia allows registration of WT as an NGO in 2003! no persecution!

by Dogpatch in

check this out!

someone just mailed me this excerpt from:.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41682.htm.

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Golden Girl

The only thing that interests me is why they were recognized as still being a NGO member in Georgia at least a year after they resigned..get it? Either Georgia is lying..or the WTBTS signed up again..and I don't think they did as they are no longer listed under NGO's

(Said in a nice tone to a motherly type who is a little confused...)

You still don't get it. They are not an "NGO Member", they are an "NGO". The WT being an NGO is not a problem, the Watchtower being recognized as an NGO by Georgia is not a problem. They are an NGO. a Non-Governmental-Organization, always have been, always will be.

The question is, are they registered with the UN and its DPI as a NGO? The answer is NO. They no longer are affiliated with the UN as a registered NGO. They left back in 2001, we all know why.

So, to recap, Georgia is not lying, and the Society has not renewed their relationship with the UN.

As I said, nothing here to see...

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Georgia allows registration of WT as an NGO in 2003! no persecution!

by Dogpatch in

check this out!

someone just mailed me this excerpt from:.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41682.htm.

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As Elsewhere and Jeffro have pointed out, this has nothing to do with the WT joining the UN back in the 90's.

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Why should Kingdom Hall sales proceeds go to the Watchtower?

by VM44 in

suppose a whole congregation decides it has had enough of the watchtower.

suppose also that they have paid for their own kingdom hall and the mortgage is paid off in full.. why should they not be free to rename the kh to some other name, or, if they want to, sell it and keep the money?.

legally, why should the watchtower think it has a claim on the kingdom hall property?

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First of all VM, your opening question is based on an erroneous assumption that refuses to die among some apostates.

Regardless of that, yes, back in the 80's an entire congregation in Texas broke away, and yes they took the Kingdom Hall with them. I'm sure the Society was not happy about it, but they are limited by the fact that it has become increasingly important for them to maintain the legal fiction that there is no connection between the org and the congregations. If the Society had the title to each Kingdom Hall, it would be obvious who was in charge. That would be a major liability to them when they are being faced with lawsuits left and right.

And really, the odds of an entire congregation going apostate, are pretty slim.

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